Farkel - Covington and I were roommates!
Puff - You have a PM.
i served between brooklyn/wallkill between 2005 - 2012 (including one and two week temping).
it would be great to see if i know/knew anyone here!.
if privacy is your thing, i have no problems exchanging any info, except my name, in pm..
Farkel - Covington and I were roommates!
Puff - You have a PM.
i served between brooklyn/wallkill between 2005 - 2012 (including one and two week temping).
it would be great to see if i know/knew anyone here!.
if privacy is your thing, i have no problems exchanging any info, except my name, in pm..
His talk was about being loyal to the org when we don't understand, when we don't agree, and even when they are wrong.
He gave a bit of org history when the org was wrong about many things, and people seperated themselves. He asked where are those people/groups now? If they would have remained loyal, they would have been flourishing with the org until their death. So they'd rather be right than have everlasting life.
I'm sure he was trying to convince himself when preparing to give the talk, and he certainly convinced the family of what he was saying. Even I soaked it all up at the time. Lol. Witnesses are so convinced blessing is seens through numbers that it's easy to "show" them why remaining loyal is more important than listening to Jah from His Word, as they believe.
He ain't waking up any time soon.
https://www.coursera.org/.
though you won't be accredited, what do you think of this program?.
Though you won't be accredited, what do you think of this program?
i served between brooklyn/wallkill between 2005 - 2012 (including one and two week temping).
it would be great to see if i know/knew anyone here!.
if privacy is your thing, i have no problems exchanging any info, except my name, in pm..
Shirley, the reply has been released!
i served between brooklyn/wallkill between 2005 - 2012 (including one and two week temping).
it would be great to see if i know/knew anyone here!.
if privacy is your thing, i have no problems exchanging any info, except my name, in pm..
Very true!
One department I worked in dealt with congregations directly. Oversight's decisions had mostly come down to "What's more cost efficient?" So changes/adjustments would be made. Then congregations would send letters of appreciation and how they see Jehovah's spirit at work. LOL.
At the time though, I viewed those decisions as Jehovah's spirit working subtley, and becoming a blessing to the friends. But even before I left, I had to face the fact, Jehovah's goal shouldn't be to save money. How cost and energy efficient was it to part the Red Sea? LOL.
i just saw this news story.. i never was a jw (or a catholic) but i liked this story:.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19451439.
can you imagine a gb member ever saying in effect - 'we were wrong'?.
Nope. That would give apostates and opposers too much firepower.
IMO though, I think MANY would respect the honesty and candidness. I mean, that's one of the cardinal reasons they use to explain the Bible is inspired by God, the fact real servants of God admitted their faults... But I remember hypocrisy doesn't apply to them.
i served between brooklyn/wallkill between 2005 - 2012 (including one and two week temping).
it would be great to see if i know/knew anyone here!.
if privacy is your thing, i have no problems exchanging any info, except my name, in pm..
I served between Brooklyn/Wallkill between 2005 - 2012 (including one and two week temping). It would be great to see if I know/knew anyone here!
If privacy is your thing, I have no problems exchanging ANY info, except my name, in PM.
elder informed me that i was not to talk to others why certain people were disfellowshipped.
huh?
i would think certain ones would want to know if he is a sex offender.
Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among YOU and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over YOUR souls as those who will render an account; that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to YOU. (Heb 13:17)
When you people learn?
when realizing something was wrong with the org, i searched online of course.
this was the first site i came across.
the reason why it didn't appeal to me was because it was mostly personal experiences.
King Solomon - I write this in case any lurkers feel the same way I did and allowing the cult mind to refute the facts of reality rather than the product of wishful thinking.
LWT - Exactly. Having a say is good for mental and emotional therapy. And a basic human right.
DaCheech - It wasn't until after I realized what the org was about that I started to appreciate the personal experiences. I felt like the crazy things I've seen and experienced were limited to my congo/area. When I realized the same problems were ALL OVER the org, it solidified the people aren't flawed, the system is.
when realizing something was wrong with the org, i searched online of course.
this was the first site i came across.
the reason why it didn't appeal to me was because it was mostly personal experiences.
When realizing something was wrong with the org, I searched online of course. This was the first site I came across. The reason why it didn't appeal to me was because it was mostly personal experiences. I like clear, verifiable, simple facts. As a devout JW, even if having doubts, certain phrases will not penetrate the cult mentality.
Phrases used frequently on here I was able to refute:
1) JW's did not let me do things I wanted to do. (GB is right, apostates ARE selfish. If we want to please God, we have to give up our selfish desires and put God's will first)
2) GB is wrong about the blood issue. (Bible says clearly "abstain from blood")
3) Speaking of disfellowshipping "JW's would rather choose loyalty to a group of men in BK than their family." (No, we would rather choose loyalty to Jehovah, than to anyone else. It hurts to not acknowledge a human being that a few moments before the announcement, we were close with. Those men in BK are only promoting what the Bible says)
4) False prophecies (I never used light getting brighter crap. I used Acts 18:24-26. Now a certain Jew named A·pol′los, a native of Alexandria, an eloquent man, arrived in Eph′e·sus; and he was well versed in the Scriptures. This [man] had been orally instructed in the way of Jehovah and, as he was aglow with the spirit, he went speaking and teaching with correctness the things about Jesus, but being acquainted with only the baptism of John. And this [man] started to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Pris·cil′la and Aq′ui·la heard him, they took him into their company and expounded the way of God more correctly to him. I reasoned sometimes even in Bible people with limited knowledge made mistakes based on that knowledge, but God blessed their efforts, and that's what he did with JW org progressively).
The beginning of the certain end was jwfacts.com and Crisis of Conscience. Those were facts I needed.
I eventually came to appreciate certain aspects of this site, though.
Now I want to do cult counseling. LOL.